Rudy Giuliani declared “truth isn’t truth” on Sunday while expressing his concerns over having President Donald Trump sit down for an interview with special counsel Robert Mueller as part of the probe into Russian meddling in the 2016 election.
Giuliani, who’s representing Trump in the investigation, said the president’s legal team has been negotiating with Mueller’s investigators for months about the ground rules for the president to testify.
“I’m not going to be rushed into having him testify so that he gets trapped into perjury,” Giuliani said on NBC’s “Meet the Press.” “And when you tell me he should testify because he’s going to tell the truth – that he shouldn’t worry – that’s so silly because it’s somebody’s version of the truth, not the truth.”
“Truth is truth,” anchor Chuck Todd immediately shot back.
“No, no, it isn’t truth,” Giuliani said. “Truth isn’t truth.”
“Mr. Mayor, the truth is the truth,” Todd repeats. “This is going to be a bad meme.”
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“Don’t do this to me,” Giuliani says, as he grabs his forehead. “Donald Trump says I didn’t talk about Flynn with Comey. Comey says you did talk about it. So tell me what the truth is.”
He was referring to a conversation former FBI Director James Comey said he had with Trump in the White House in February 2017.
Comey, according to notes he took of the meeting, said the president asked him “I hope you can let this go,” referring to the investigation into Michael Flynn.
Flynn, Trump’s former national security adviser, stepped down the month before when news reports revealed he had contact with a Russian ambassador during the campaign but did not inform the White House.
He pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI and is cooperating with Mueller’s probe.